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Wiki! [Aug. 18th, 2007|12:43 pm]
Oswald's Tower

thetowerinn

[mrteapot]
I thought that the Galon and Kaerith wiki should be pointed out here, though I imagine everyone here already knows about such a thing, or is lacking a reliable internet connection. Or maybe both.
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[User Picture]From: scholarinexile
2007-08-18 07:55 pm (UTC)
Thanks for the announcement; I add to this that anyone who's played either world is welcome to make entries, either regarding their own characters or regarding NPCs, locations, events, or other campaign elements with which they're familiar, although I may edit entries on campaign world info.
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[User Picture]From: mrteapot
2007-08-18 11:03 pm (UTC)
Dude, way ahead of you on that front. I'm nearly done copying everything from this LJ community over to the wiki, and have started on copying info from the extremely outdated on website.

I do wish that some different wiki system had been chosen, though. If the wiki had some automated system for generating intrawiki links, making interconnections would be a lot simpler.
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[User Picture]From: pghkitten
2007-08-19 06:06 am (UTC)
I'm all right with moving it to another system if it's similarly easy to use and to notify everyone involved; WetPaint was just the first one I encountered, so I went with it. Thanks, too, for transcribing the stuff from thetowerinn and from the website. We were pleasantly surprised with all the contributions you two made today.
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From: sol_blackstar
2007-08-21 05:00 am (UTC)

Wiki

The current host can support a wiki if one is requested, as well as additional scripting.
It seems that it would be better to keep as much as possible in one place then scatter the information all over the internet...that's one reason I went out and purchased the domain name for libraryofhighmoon.

I've experimented with several CMS systems since I built this incarnation of The Library and never really found one that lived up to its hype. Wiki's on the other hand I looked into briefly but the subject was never brought up.

The other benefit of keeping everything under one domain...we control the information, the layout, etc.

I'll look into different Wiki's installable on the current host and post some links here with examples.

Looking back, I probably shouldn't post this...should re-write it, but its 1 am...and I just downed 5 aleve for my back.

I'll get those options posted before the weekend.
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From: sol_blackstar
2007-08-21 06:41 am (UTC)

Re: Wiki

Again...sorry if the original post sounded a little harsh. While the library is out of date in both information and design I don't think anyone realizes how much time I've spent working on it to make it usable and some of the features that were requested.

I've spent the last hour researching various wiki solutions available and I think I found one that should work.

Currently available at http://test.libraryofhighmoon.com

This is just a quick basic layout. There are other extensions that can be added to the wiki. Features I've seen that I should be capable of adding without a problem:
Blog -- if one is wanted
CMS -- restricts changes to authorized users.
Administration options - backup, page conversion, import text files,
Viewing options - change skin while viewing wiki
RSS/ATOM feeds


The list continues. These are the ones that popped out at me.

For a complete list check out: http://www.pmwiki.org/wiki/Cookbook/Cookbook
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[User Picture]From: mrteapot
2007-08-22 12:30 pm (UTC)

Re: Wiki

It would mean redoing the work done on the current wiki, but nonetheless I like the idea of the PMwiki run on the libraryofhighmoon. No ads, for one thing. Having more control over the page on basically every level, for another.

PMwiki gets my vote.
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From: sol_blackstar
2007-08-22 12:53 am (UTC)
Adam had a asked a few questions concerning hosting the wiki on libraryofhighmoon.com

Oops...just realized you already know about the wiki. I'm cool with it being hosted on the library, if the interface can give us the sort of internally0linked format necessary to make a wiki work. Would there be any way of importing content from the existing wiki to the library, and also, any way of authorizing specific people to be able to write in the wiki, independent of making broader changes to the site?


1. The internally linked design is central to a Wiki format. I really haven't found a single wiki script that does not include WikiWords.

2. Importing Content: As I posted late last night, pmwiki which is currently running has the ability to take either test or html files and convert to wiki pages.

3. At least 3 or 4 extensions for pmwiki provide the functionality of users and groups.

4. In most cases the easiest solution would be replace the site with the wiki.
In a way this ties into #3.

..Each page in the wiki is assigned to one or more groups, either by the page creator or the admins.
..Each user that is granted access is assigned to one or more groups.
..Each user has permission to change pages assigned to the group that member is a part of.

So some example groups:
SiteAdmins - able to change everything.
[One Wiki Group per Gaming Group]
Public -- basically for read only or possible Comment Box.

Each user that applies for access would be assigned to one groups depending on what Gaming groups they're currently in.

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If you would rather have the site remain and add a wiki. The same scenario applies for users and groups. We then need to determine what information is stored in the main site and what information belongs in the wiki.
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[User Picture]From: scholarinexile
2007-08-22 08:45 pm (UTC)
Well, one thing crucial to a wiki that I'd want is for players to continue to be able to make independent contributions and edits. Would it be possible to set it up so that people can continue to contribute and make edits to existing pages as the current wiki allows?

And although the wiki would render obsolete a numer of current parts of the existing library site, I'd still like to keep non-wiki parts up for things not well suited to an encyclopedic wiki...e.g. campaign logs, current announcements, and house rules documents.
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[User Picture]From: scholarinexile
2007-08-22 08:50 pm (UTC)
I guess I should clarify- what I want is, for example, someone like you to be able to make edits and contributions, not just to 2nd, 3rd, and dwarf group pages, but also to general information about the worlds, or to the pages of another group if they include info you know something about, of if you happen tos ee an error somewhere. As time goes on and people play a lot of different characters, there are crossover games and Halloween sessions, and occasionally a character even jumps from one campaign to another, the lines between groups blur, and it doesn't make sense to simply restrict a given person to a single subset of topics when they've had a hand in multiple parts of an integrated campaign world.
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[User Picture]From: mrteapot
2007-08-22 11:15 pm (UTC)
In that case we'd just have a small number of groups: you and maybe Chuck have full admin privileges, all players can modify most or all pages, and non-players and random people who wander in from the internet can comment on pages but not really change anything.
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[User Picture]From: scholarinexile
2007-08-23 02:28 am (UTC)
Works for me. Reasonable to set up that way, Chuck?
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From: sol_blackstar
2007-08-23 04:30 am (UTC)
Either wiki I'm currently looking at, and looking for comments on, can support as many users and groups as deemed necessary.

Everything that is currently handled by the library main site can be converted into a wiki.
There's a few compelling reasons for this.
1. Announcements can be made through the Wiki.
2. Changes to any document can be made by the appropriate people, without having to send me files.
3. It makes the entire site a community effort.
4. Despite the fact I moved the History pages to the Forum, I think they would look better in wiki format. Also, by using the wiki for history, all group members would be able to post their comments/remembrances from that session (1 History Page per session).

Post more later. I've been working on the second wiki option and the initial setup didn't go as well as I would have liked.
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From: sol_blackstar
2007-08-26 06:53 am (UTC)
I'm looking for input concerning the two wiki's I've set up. I've made a post with links for both of them.
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